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« on: June 15, 2004, 03:20:47 PM »

I will try to keep this as spoiler-free as possible, and focus on themes as much as I can, but I'm all over the place here and so proceed with caution... Smiley

First of all, I have to say that Dark Fury is excellent, extraordinarily well-done... it definitely functions as a bridge between Pitch Black and TCOR, or is intended to...

...but no, it really doesn't explain how Jack goes from being the socialized girl of Pitch Black to the bitter, antisocial creature of the sequel.  At all.

It was delightful to hear Rhiana's voice again, and see a face that actually looks like hers.  If only that had been the case in the sequel again... ::sigh::

Anyway, the relationship between Riddick and Jack in Dark Fury is about what you'd expect based upon their relationship in Pitch Black.  In PB, Jack was a very socialized teen, who worried about and fought for the people around her.  In Dark Fury, that shows up again... she worries about him, she tells him that she won't leave without him even when he refuses to make any sort of statement in return.  She struggles hard to keep up with him, and helps him at every turn and opportunity.  (Riddick tries to keep her at arm's length and to deny any kind of attachment, but whenever it becomes a real issue, he protects her and worries about her too, and she knows it.)

That sort of behavior is in keeping with the generosity of character that Jack displayed in between bouts of normal adolescent behavior in Pitch Black, which was why she was such a fascinating character to so many of us.  She was a good person who accepted Riddick and liked him, unjudgmentally, without him having to change who he was, and without her having to change herself, although in typical teen fashion she did try to impress him by putting on tough airs.

Dark Fury Jack is definitely in over her head and on some levels she knows it, but her faith in Riddick to pull them through is absolute, and her determination to help him is as well.  And she does.  She's not strong enough to keep up all the time, but nothing in Riddick's behavior would leave her embittered because, in spite of his own attempts to pretend he doesn't care about her, he repeatedly does watch out for her welfare and she knows it and has faith in it.

In the end Imam does express his concern that Jack is in danger of becoming like Riddick, and it may inform Riddick's decision to leave, but there's still nothing in Jack's personality or behavior that would lead her to become embittered.  If anything, this Jack would worry about Riddick, and might conceivably try to find him so she can attempt to protect him... but she wouldn't become unforgiving.  Watching the "bridging the gap" extra and hearing a line from TCOR in which Imam talks about Jack never having forgiven Riddick for leaving, I felt myself scoffing.  Dark Fury, in fact, negates that, because this is a Jack who would forgive him without a thought.  She might pine, but she would never hate.

Anyway, the Jack in Dark Fury is definitely believable, and my god it was wonderful to hear Rhiana's voice again.  The storyline is fun, and very cool to watch. Peter Chung and his team have a wondrful visual sensibility.

Toombs is great.  Does he look like Wolverine in TCOR, too?  Or just in the animation?

About the extras... the "Bridging the Gap" irritated me because Rhiana never appeared in it.  It would have been nice to see her live-action face for a few moments, hear a few words from her about what it's like to reprise Jack. (It was very annoying, instead, to have Davalos' face show up.  Can't there even be one place where we don't have to have her foisted on us?)

Animatic to Animation is a lot of fun.  You need to watch the full animation first, because this is the bare-bones version of Dark Fury, with the early bookmark images... the most hilarious part is Vin doing an alternate delivery of his lines where he tries to pretend to be Johns.  He raises his voice to a higher range and does a really bad Southern accent, and it's just priceless.  Also, some of Rhiana's lines which were slightly drowned out by sound effects are crystal-clear.

I also love the way that Imam has already taken on a fatherly role with Jack in the film, and I wish they'd gone with that approach rather than the Kyra angle.  If Jack had been on New Mecca with Imam, well-adjusted and grown up, still the repository of Riddick's soul and humanity, things would have been much more realistic and poignant than having her show up as a bitter, vindictive brat in the prison.

Dark Fury may have been intended to bridge the gap between the first two films, but in a way it only heightens just how badly off-course Twohy then took the universe after that point.  The Dark Fury world still makes sense, and points in the general direction of the TCOR franchise... but somehow Vin and Twohy way overshot their mark and left reality behind.

Listening to Peter Chung in the extras, as he discusses the process of animating and assembling the film, I'm struck by how incredibly intelligent and creative this man is and I suspect I'm going to be buying a lot of his work in the future.  I wish, perversely, that he would be put in charge of directing the rest of the TCOR franchise from here on out.

Buy it buy it buy it.  It's what every Jack fan was hoping for... and I'm very glad I spent my money on it instead of the movie.

Edited: Just got done watching the extras.  No Rhiana in them, more's the pity.  But I was dreading "Into the Light" because I assumed we'd have more Kyra foisted on us, and amazingly enough she's absent.  So aside from a half-second glimpse in "Bridging the Gap," the disk is Kyra-free and her name is never even spoken.  There's a big plus.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2004, 11:20:18 AM »

Okay. This was a beautiful Review Ardath. I read it prior to watching my DF vid. lol.

But there is only one thing I found that just bothered me all to hell about the whole thing. So....What happened to Riddicks leg injury?

It is quite apparent that IT is not there throughout the whole show. What, did someone just up and decided "Well the reason Carolyn die ( i.e. Riddick's Injury and inability to get himself up for a short period of time due to what i am so sure was a bit of shock) was not even important in the slightest?..... who cares if he was injured...the man heals lightning fast and Fry really died needlessly trying to save him when surely he could take down a WHOLE MERC SHIP just shortly after the whole planet incident"  

but this is just me bickering about how shafted Radhas charrie was...in BOTH sequels. Ridiculous....

Put this on to what has happened with Rhiana...I am just slightly annoyed.... I dont know... Hell maybe Im even pissed Shazza died...ehh which ever. Not like ANYONES death really mattered to Riddick right? Just the fact that Kyra does in TCOR...and even then Twohy steals that moment away not seconds after. I am just glad Vin was able to pull of such distress over it in the few seconds he had!

I started all this about a leg injury...didnt i? ehh leave it to me to get sidetracked.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2004, 11:38:14 AM »

I agree beyond belief, Ardath! The relationship between Riddick and Jack is portrayed with such perfection. I felt some sort of resistance between Vin Diesel and Davalos when I went to watch TCOR, almost as if he was holding back. I know that that might sound a bit weird, but it was as is the chemistry was off. Not so much that he resented her for getting the part rather than Rhiana but, as if something was missing...well,duh, Rhiana was missing! But here, whether or not they were in the same room during the voice recording, there was a sense of closeness, comfort even. Weird in the best way possible.
And I had wanted to hear what she sounded like for quite a while, being that she's all grown up now. She sounds just as beautiful as she looks.
I am definitely going to purchase Dark Fury, and I recommend that everyone else do the same!  

Happy watching,
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PS: And Ardath, thank you yet again for "Not Who You Thought I Was!"
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2004, 02:35:07 PM »

Yep, the chemistry between Vin and Davalos was definitely not there. It was as if she was just another piece of the set to interact with. You can always tell when Vin is having fun on a set. For this movie all the behind the scene pics showed one very serious Vin which is unVinlike behavior for him. Every pic i have seen with him not in character or between takes with Davalos shows him not being a happy Vinny.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2004, 08:13:10 PM »

Thank you for the lovely lovely review, Ardath! Smooch

I've been dying to know how it is, since I can't buy it yet, and have no idea when I'll be able to. Although, think I'm gonna make a trip to Blockbuster tomorrow and see if they have it to rent. (They did have the Van Helsing one, so am hoping this one will be there as well.) ::crosses her fingers:: Heeeee!
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2004, 10:12:24 AM »

WARNING SPOILERS

Animation:

Incredible.  I have always been an Aeon Flux fan and to that style of artwork applied to this story was mind blowing for me!  My mouth was wide open during theopening sequence.

Characterization:

On point.  While I will agree with everything Ardath said about the differences between Jack and Kyra I was more impressed with Imam.  

For the most part I think people came away from "Pitch Black" seeing him as something of a weakling.  I didn't and have been repeated upset by this preception of him.  When they were being escorted through the ship by Chillingsworth's people and began pointing out what exactly was going to Riddick it was clear that there was more to Imam than simply his religion.  He saved Jack as well.  Brownie points to the writers for giving me that, considering I was crushed by his fate in TCOR. BOOOOO!!!!

As for Jack, OMG, beautiful.  She looked like Rhiana; only what was up with her eyes?  Jack is a hard character.  She doesn't see her own value and strength and tends to look for it in others.  In Riddick she sees everything she wants to be, but doesn't need to be.  I understand why Twoey took Jack down the road to Kyra, but I disagree with the way he did it in TCOR.  But having said all that I damn near lost it when she punched and flipped off the Merc off in the hanger bay.  Now THAT was a true Jack moment.  Her saving Riddick was also very Jack as well.  

Riddick.  Perfect, they did him perfectly.  Mr. Diesel was in full bad ass mode for this.  I got a chill up my spine everytime I heard him speak.  I like the fact that he was drawn in a way that made him look scary and beautiful at the same time.  Like a panther.  He had a few well placed and timed one-liners; nothing over done.  As Ardath already said he clearly cared for Jack and had a growing respect for Imam, born out of the conversation about the ship.  

::sigh::  As much as I enjoyed TCOR, Dark Fury was more of a sequel to "Pitch Black" than the "Chronicles" was.  The universe around the characters was right.  The villians were off the hook.  I highly recommend this.

Oh yeah something I noticed.  I ordered my copy from Amazon, on the packing slip it read:

TCOR: Dark Fury
Griffith, Rhiana

Did anyone else order from Amazon and see that on the packing slip?
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2004, 10:47:41 AM »

"Dark Fury" was great.  I just watched my copy for a second time last night and it seemed even more fluid and coherent than it was the first time — I'm still picking up on things I didn't catch initially, and mark that as the sign of a well-done show.

I suppose there were a few weak points.  The lead villainess is just forgettable compared to the rest of the cast.  It did seem initially weird to hear Jack having her full-on "girl voice" now instead of the neutral sound of her voice in PB, but I guess I got used to it quickly and it makes sense from a storytelling standpoint since she is supposed to be out of the woods and has nothing more to hide.  I felt like we got a bit ripped off when they didn't give us any kind of fight between Riddick and the large creature towards the end.  All relatively minor complaints.  I'm sure I'll go back to this one many times over.  Definitely a far more compelling and generally necessary-feeling story than Universal's other animated prequel of the summer, "Van Helsing: The London Assignment."
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2004, 11:31:32 AM »

Quote from: "candylyn"
As for Jack, OMG, beautiful.  She looked like Rhiana; only what was up with her eyes?
Yeah, I wondered that myself.  She ought to have had the green eyes in the piece.

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Jack is a hard character.  She doesn't see her own value and strength and tends to look for it in others.  In Riddick she sees everything she wants to be, but doesn't need to be.  I understand why Twoey took Jack down the road to Kyra, but I disagree with the way he did it in TCOR.
Yes and no... she seemed to have a lot of confidence at the same time.  Telling Riddick she wouldn't leave him behind but would find him... running into the fray to help him battle -- and succeeding in her aims when she did... she seemed to have a lot of confidence and determination that she would make a difference.  What I personally did not see was any sense of insecurity in her.  She seemed to harbor a greater conviction that Riddick needed her than that she needed him.

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But having said all that I damn near lost it when she punched and flipped off the Merc off in the hanger bay.  Now THAT was a true Jack moment.  Her saving Riddick was also very Jack as well.
Oh, definitely.  My hat goes off to Peter Chung for being the one to acknowledge the type of heroism that Jack had repeatedly tried to display in Pitch Black, when she kept being held back from running to other survivors' rescue.

I personally think Imam's assessment of Jack, and her future, was way off... as was Twohy's in the way he then wrote Kyra.  The Jack we saw was caught in extraordinary circumstances that required extraordinary responses, and she rose to them beautifully.  The look in her eyes after she killed Chillingsworth, at the end, was not the look of someone who'd taken any pleasure from the act, not someone who'd had a taste of blood and liked it -- she was freaked.  And yes, she took the gun with her to bed after that, but I think I would too, in her place.  After the way they'd just been hunted, a high-caliber security blanket was definitely in order.  But that didn't mean that she'd turn into a Riddick-clone; in fact, if anything, I would think that that particular set of experiences would have enlightened her into why she wanted to be something else.

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Oh yeah something I noticed.  I ordered my copy from Amazon, on the packing slip it read:

TCOR: Dark Fury
Griffith, Rhiana

Did anyone else order from Amazon and see that on the packing slip?
Helly yeah, and that thrilled me no end!  About time Universal gave our girl top billing.  It's only a fraction of what they owe her.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2004, 11:59:10 AM »

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What I personally did not see was any sense of insecurity in her.


No she wasn't insecure, actually any girl willing to cut her hair off to get the attention of convicted killer is more than bold, only I don't think she truly saw her own potential.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2004, 01:24:23 PM »

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What I personally did not see was any sense of insecurity in her.


No she wasn't insecure, actually any girl willing to cut her hair off to get the attention of convicted killer is more than bold, only I don't think she truly saw her own potential.
::Nod:: That was more aimed at the Kyra character, which a bunch of people described as an extremely insecure girl.  Which makes her incredibly unJacklike, again.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2004, 01:53:52 PM »

Ardath you have a point.  Kyra did do a few things Jack never did or I imagine would do.  Like the leaving him behind on Cremetoria.  Regardless of what Jack thought she would have stayed.  Dark Fury proved that.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2004, 02:28:43 PM »

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Ardath you have a point.  Kyra did do a few things Jack never did or I imagine would do.  Like the leaving him behind on Cremetoria.  Regardless of what Jack thought she would have stayed.  Dark Fury proved that.
Oh exactly!  Kyra apparently ran for the ship, right?  Jack would have had to have been dragged, kicking and screaming.

It makes me hope, all the more, that someone over there gets a clue... and writes the next movie so that it turns out Kyra was pretending to be Jack because somehow she knew a lot about Jack and Riddick.  Then they could put Davalos in the film again and have Rhiana; I'd be fine with Davalos in the films as long as she's not Jack, and Rhiana's Jack was there as well.

A nice, well-adjusted, doesn't-need-to-be-a-Kung-Fu-Machine, Jack Jack.  Who can remind Riddick of what it is to be human, not what it is to be a killing machine.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2004, 02:37:09 PM »

Did Kyra really run for the ship?  I thought she was taken by force.  Admittedly, that segment of the movie was kind of baffling for me.  Some really weird editing there.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2004, 10:29:56 PM »

She ran.... despite the hanger and Riddick being within reach.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2004, 11:31:56 PM »

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She ran.... despite the hanger and Riddick being within reach.

LOL, which again makes her so not Jack.

In fact, they apparently harked back to a scene in Pitch Black which proves that too... when Jack's calling after Riddick, to keep him from leaving without the others.  At that moment, she's perfectly capable of catching up to him herself, but Suleiman's just been attacked and Fry and Imam are trying to help him with his injuries.  It's not for herself that she's calling to Riddick, but for them.  And in fact she leaves herself exposed to attack while she does so.

What kind of cowardly, self-centered little dingbat did she turn into in the intervening years?  Nope, that Kyra twit is so not Jack.
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